On this episode of “Finish of Day Drinks,” Peggy Noe Stevens discusses her group Bourbon Ladies and what the bourbon {industry} must do to advertise inclusion. After turning into the world’s first feminine grasp bourbon taster, Stevens used her experience to create Bourbon Women. There, different ladies can be taught extra in regards to the spirit by way of workshops and what she calls “edu-tainment.” Whereas some occasions revolve round bourbon meals pairing and schooling, Bourbon Ladies has additionally debunked industry-wide myths that girls want weaker bourbon. In truth, after holding a collection of blind tastings, Stevens’ staff discovered ladies really want stronger, spicier, higher-proof, and extra sturdy whiskies.

Right here, Stevens shares what a grasp bourbon taster does day after day and among the bourbon pairing recommendation from her new e-book, “Which Fork Do I Use with My Bourbon?

She additionally discusses among the points within the bourbon {industry} and what steps retailers and commerce present professionals could make to take ladies severely within the whiskey world. She insists that producers don’t should “pinkify” a product, and will as an alternative guarantee they’re making house for extra ladies to ask questions on totally different merchandise.

Bourbon Ladies will have fun its 10th anniversary this 12 months, with hundreds of ladies now in its ranks. Since Covid, the staff has shifted to digital occasions which have elevated entry to bourbon schooling for a whole lot of ladies, together with previous “Sip-posiums” and an upcoming Toast to the Tenth Celebration.

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Adam: From VinePair’s New York Metropolis headquarters, that is “Finish of Day Drinks,” the place we sit down with the movers and shakers within the beverage {industry}. So pour your self a glass and pay attention together with us. Let’s begin the present. On at present’s episode of “EOD Drinks,” we’re speaking with Peggy Noe Stevens, the primary feminine grasp bourbon taster and the founding father of Bourbon Women.

Bourbon Ladies is a company for ladies who’re captivated with bourbon tradition, ladies, and the promise of journey when the 2 are mixed. It’s an impartial discussion board that brings ladies of all walks of life collectively over a glass of bourbon with a deal with initiating, cultivating, and galvanizing deep and significant relationships; encouraging the event of ladies personally, professionally, and courageously; and supporting members of their journey to turn into one of the best variations of themselves on the earth of bourbon. Moreover, they supply a secure, inclusive atmosphere for enjoyable, discovery, and studying. This was an interview that we recorded with Peggy proper earlier than the vacations. So she additionally provides us a bit bit of data on pairing bourbon with a few of her favourite dishes. All proper, Katie and staff, take it away.

Katie: Good day and welcome to VinePair’s “Finish of Day Drinks” podcast. I’m Katie, I’m the editorial affiliate right here at VinePair. And I’m fortunate sufficient at present to be right here with Peggy Noe Stevens. Peggy, thanks for becoming a member of us.

Peggy: Oh, my pleasure. Joyful holidays to you.

Okay: You, too. Peggy is the world’s first feminine grasp bourbon taster and the founding father of Bourbon Ladies, which is the primary ladies’s client group within the beverage {industry}, so we’re actually fortunate to have her on. I’m additionally joined by a few of my fellow editorial staff. So Adam Teeter, VinePair’s co-founder. Hey, Adam.

A: Hey Katie, what’s up?

Okay: After which Cat Wolinski, who’s VinePair’s senior editor.

Cat: Hey, everybody, and whats up, Peggy. So thrilling to have you ever on.

P: Thanks.

Okay: So, Peggy, we’re so excited to have you ever, particularly proper earlier than the vacations, and speak about all people’s favourite fall and winter drink — that’s bourbon. And all of us introduced a bourbon drink at present. Proper? So I’m curious what everybody determined to combine up.

P: I acquired to inform you, I’m much more curious on what y’all gravitated in the direction of. So I’m all ears. I’m all ears.

A: I’m ingesting bourbon the way in which I usually drink it, which is straight.

Okay: And what bourbon did you select?

A: What am I ingesting?

Okay: Yeah.

A: I imply, Peggy, are you gonna get mad at me if I inform you — I’m ingesting Evan Williams single barrel.

P: Why would I be mad about that? In truth, I believe I’m a bit jealous, really.

A: I simply discover it to be like, an incredible bourbon for the cash.

P: Completely.

Okay: Cat, what about you?

C: So I additionally normally sip my bourbon neat, however within the festivity of the podcast, I attempted to make a cocktail actually shortly. I used to be going for a Hot Toddy as a result of that’s type of my factor the previous couple of weeks. However I didn’t actually have time to make it sizzling. So I mainly simply tried to combine in a drop or two of honey into a few ounces of Rare Breed. And I expressed some recent mint leaves and dropped them in there, and combined it up with an ice dice. The honey didn’t dissolve, which might be not stunning, nevertheless it’s really actually tasty.

Okay: That’s fairly fancy for a last-minute cocktail.

P: I’m impressed, really.

C: We acquired inventive in all that point working from house. You understand, it’s like that is my likelihood to have some enjoyable and do one thing bizarre.

Okay: Completely. What about you, Peggy?

P: Properly, I’ve been doing a little blind tastings at present as a result of I’m a whiskey reviewer for American Whiskey Magazine. So once I do this and I’m simply tasting straight, I all the time need an actual cocktail after I do this. And so it was good timing in your podcast. And I made a black Manhattan. And what I like about these, it’s your typical add your bourbon, however I additionally put a bit little bit of bitters, some cherry syrup, after which I put some amaro and that’s why they name it a black Manhattan, since you simply put sufficient to alter the colour of the cocktail to a darker shade.

Okay: That sounds scrumptious.

C: I don’t assume I’ve ever put amaro in my whiskey like that.

P: And that’s the factor. It’s so humorous as a result of I discover out that so many individuals don’t as a result of they do vermouth as an alternative. However I used to be turned on to this, oh gosh, most likely 5 years in the past. It was really one other bourbon girl that taught me about it. And as soon as I did, I used to be hooked. And it’s type of my go-to cocktail nowadays.

Okay: That’s superior. Properly, I’m ingesting some apple cider that I heated up and I simply put a bit little bit of Maker’s Mark in there. It’s actually scrumptious. There’s a spot proper close to by me that smells like recent cider. So I’ve been ingesting it so much, spiked and never, all through the times right here as a result of it’s actually chilly. I’m in Colorado, Peggy. So it’s been snowing, and it simply appears like the right winter drink.

P: That sounds scrumptious. Completely. I hear a number of Toddies, in fact, and I simply wrote an article about heat winter drinks. So that you all are proper in line.

Okay: We’re on development. That’s good to know.

A: At all times good to know.

Okay: So, Peggy, are you able to speak a bit bit about Bourbon Ladies? I do know that bourbon is clearly a really male-dominated {industry}, so I’ve simply been curious what it’s like so that you can lead a bunch of ladies in that house. And the way have you ever seen issues change over the course of your time working in bourbon?

P: Oh, wow. Properly, it’s been an evolution, and one of the simplest ways I can say it’s once I was younger within the {industry} and I labored for main spirits firm, I used to be a grasp taster, feminine grasp taster, and I might journey round and conduct tastings and largely 90 p.c, if not 98 p.c within the viewers have been male. And if there have been any type of trickle of ladies, it could be only a couple. However I’d by no means hear from them in the course of the seminar. They might all the time come up after the seminar and I used to be actually understanding their loyalty to bourbon, how they liked it, how engaged they have been in the course of the seminar, however they only by no means raised their hand. And so fast-forward to once I began my very own firm and the {industry} nonetheless actually wasn’t having what I name a dialog with ladies. They have been on the market. So I carried out a bunch of focus teams all through Kentucky and requested ladies, what would you like? You understand, if there was a company or a means that the {industry} would speak to you about bourbon, what would that be? And would you prefer it? And it was simply overwhelmingly unanimous. And so Bourbon Ladies Group was born proper after that. And that has been actually 10 years in the past. And I’m completely happy to say that we now have hundreds of ladies throughout the U.S., some worldwide, we’re celebrating our 10-year anniversary. We’re calling it a Toast to the Tenth in 2021. I’m glad it wasn’t in 2020. And we’re having a two-day digital the place we have fun 10 cities with distilleries and we’ve formal branches in, a bit bit over 10 now, like New York, California, and so forth. And I’m simply so excited in regards to the enthusiasm that these ladies have proven as a result of we’ve carried out effectively over 250 occasions throughout the nation in that time frame. All life-style occasions, whether or not it’s cooking with bourbon, bourbon tastings, whiskey comparisons, we’ve had distillery audio system, grasp distillers are available and the ladies simply like it. And nearly the place we thought we have been so disillusioned that we couldn’t do our annual sip-posium. That’s “Sip-posium” in 2020 as a result of normally about 350 ladies are available for a complete weekend for bourbon excursions and culinary dinners at distilleries and all of this stuff. It was OK as a result of we ended up doing a three-day digital convention again in August and our attain by way of that digital convention — there’s all the time a silver lining to 2020 — actually prolonged it to extra ladies. So we don’t know what to anticipate at our subsequent convention in 2021 as a result of we had simply so many ladies reaching out saying, what’s this about? How can we be part of? They simply liked it. So I couldn’t be extra happy with how the {industry} has supported us, helped fund us at these totally different occasions, and the way the ladies have responded.

Okay: That’s superior. And so that you mentioned that you just’ve been type of conducting that nearly, which I believe is actually cool as a result of clearly it does assist acquire entry for individuals who won’t have been capable of go journey. So I believe that’s actually superior. I’m curious, as a grasp bourbon taster, initially, when you might speak about — what does a grasp bourbon taster do, and the way does that work throughout this digital world that we’re presently dwelling in throughout Covid?

P: Proper. Properly, initially, I turned a grasp bourbon taster. I used to be the primary feminine grasp bourbon taster on the earth, when you can consider it. That was again within the ’90s. And I keep in mind nearly taking a pause once they mentioned, do you understand you’re the primary one ever given this title as a feminine? And I believed that was, as excited as I used to be, and honored that I used to be, it was nearly odd to me. Proper, as a result of I couldn’t consider that within the 1990s that we have been that far behind. However what a grasp taster does, it may be totally different from distillery to distillery as a result of that’s how we roll in our {industry}. And there’s grasp blenders, grasp distillers, and we every type of do our personal factor. The grasp taster is normally high quality management, it’s normally figuring out taste profiles throughout the whiskey to have the customers perceive what they’re ingesting. And I might conduct tastings. I served as an envoy for a specific model for fairly a while, after which in my very own firm, it turned really a part of my enterprise. Enterprise being sourcing whiskey for various corporations that needed to start out a distillery. I discussed only a minute in the past that I used to be doing a little blind tasting. I do whiskey opinions. I’m a spirits choose and invited to many spirit competitions to actually type of profile totally different whiskeys and choose the standard of them. So a grasp taster can actually envelop fairly a couple of areas throughout the {industry}. And it’s been tons of enjoyable. It has been one thing that I purely take pleasure in and have really parlayed my love for a whiskey palate into meals pairings with bourbon. And in order that’s one other ardour of mine. And so I simply got here out with a e-book together with my good buddy Susan Reigler, who’s additionally a spirits author. It’s known as “Which Fork Do I Use with my Bourbon?” As a result of individuals are nearly gun shy. They assume wine is the one factor that would ever go along with meals. And that’s actually not the case as a result of bourbon is so complicated. So we not solely educate within the e-book the methods of the commerce, however the best way to conduct a tasting, what to search for in a bourbon, the best way to meals pairing, the best way to entertain in your house utilizing bourbon. So we type of took every thing that I’ve ever discovered, I believe, in bourbon and entertaining, and put it within the e-book so {that a} client might take pleasure in it in their very own house.

A: So, Peggy, you’ve been round bourbon for a really very long time, clearly very well-known household connection to bourbon. I’m curious to actually dig in right here and speak about what the bourbon {industry} must do, and I believe the whiskey {industry}, basically, to make itself extra welcoming to ladies, as a result of there are such a lot of folks that speak to us, readers who say, “I’m an enormous whiskey drinker, however I simply don’t really feel just like the {industry} ever talks to me. I don’t really feel just like the manufacturers speak to me. They all the time assume that it’s simply one thing that males drink.” And so what does the {industry} must do higher? And what can we as a publication must do higher in an effort to be sure that we’re speaking to ladies equally relating to speaking about whiskey?

P: Properly, I merely love that you just’ve recognized that and have requested that massive, daring query. And there’s fairly a bit that may be accomplished. One of many premises, too, of the Bourbon Ladies Group was not simply to start out a dialog with ladies and provides what I name edu-tainment to ladies, nevertheless it was additionally to debunk the parable that the {industry} had. They thought {that a} girl, in an effort to drink bourbon, that they must dumb it down and make it sweeter and lighter proof and never so sturdy. And it was fairly the alternative. So one of many issues that we actually dug into was analysis. And we carried out, once more, blind tastings. We carried out tasting profiles primarily based on a lady’s palate. And what we discovered palms down is that girls throughout the board, that is no coincidence, appreciated stronger, spicier, higher-proof, and extra sturdy whiskies. And so after we ship that info, we type of what I mentioned, debunked the parable that’s on the market to let spirits corporations know, don’t dumb it down, you don’t should “pinkify” it simply for a lady to take pleasure in it, to make it extra welcoming for a lady. And I’ll simply take a fast instance. Take your whiskey commerce present. I’ve attended so a lot of these throughout the nation and scores of males will are available, ladies will are available. And I’ve seen that the representatives generally behind the desk which can be pouring the whiskey, they actually take note of the boys. And so they’re pouring the whiskey they usually’re speaking to the boys. And the ladies nearly should beg for a glass or say, “Hey, I’m over right here.” And they should determine with ladies when they’re approached by a lady. To speak to them, to welcome them, to present them that cup, ask them if they’ve questions. As a result of what we’ve discovered is these ladies aren’t any whiskey 101 individuals. They know their stuff. They’re researchers, they’re educated, they’re working ladies. They research similar to males do. One other space that I believe is actually necessary, too, is within the retail shops, particularly once you go to a liquor retailer and a lady goes down the aisle taking a look at bourbons, to ask her if she wants any help and let her ask questions. That’s one other space that I believe is actually necessary. Among the occasions that we maintain, we simply did one, for instance, with Four Roses. We name it the Sip and Stream. And we did a hand-selected barrel decide with 4 Roses and bottled it and bought it within the liquor shops and it was specified to a ladies’s palate. We did one other one with Maker’s Mark this vacation season. It bought out in two hours, an entire barrel of bourbon bought out in two hours by the ladies shopping for it as a result of that reveals ardour. So I believe the extra we present the love that females can have with this {industry} and with a product, it’s fairly worthwhile for the {industry} as a result of we’re the opposite half of the inhabitants.

A: Precisely.

C: Greater than half, typically. I used to be going to ask, Peggy, what you consider the cross-collaboration with different beverage industries? As a result of at present, we really simply revealed our 50 Best Beers of the 12 months, and certainly one of them was the Brooklyn Brewery Black Ops 2019 Classic, which was aged in 4 Roses barrels. And that was a extremely particular deal with for us to try to ended up in our prime 50. And one thing we see so much in beer, like bourbon-barrel-aging merchandise, and we see it all over the place now, I imply, what’s your opinion on, is bourbon reaching beer drinkers that means, or is beer reaching bourbon drinkers? After which lastly, what about bourbon-barrel-aged wines?

P: Properly, I’ve to inform you, I believe you struck a extremely sizzling development proper now, and before everything, I shall say I’m an equal alternative drinker. I’ll have a beer, I’ll drink wine, I’ll drink my bourbon. In order that’s good as a result of we will all play collectively and we will play collectively very effectively between all of the totally different industries. What’s a very popular development proper now are what is known as “finishes” or barrel-aged merchandise. In truth, I simply wrote one other article known as “The Final Finish,” the place a number of bourbons are historically making their bourbon as they usually do, however they’re sourcing totally different barrels. They could be an Armagnac barrel. It could be a Calvados barrel, it could be a rum barrel. And so they’re doing a end by letting the bourbon, among the bourbon relaxation in that secondary barrel. And that’s known as technically a barrel-finished product. So with beer, utilizing the inside of a barrel, we will solely use in our {industry} a barrel one time. That’s in accordance with our bourbon definition, white charred oak barrel, one time use. After which we promote it to individuals like wineries and tequila will purchase bourbon barrels, the Scotch {industry}, and so forth. However what all people must know is that normally as much as 85 p.c of the flavors, one of the best flavors of that barrel are given to bourbon. After which the used barrel you may nonetheless, in fact, get great-quality taste. It simply takes a bit bit longer. And since bourbon is complicated and provides so many nice congeners to beer, wine, and so forth.,  that’s why you’re seeing such a development, due to our complexity. And there are some actually nice bourbons which can be Cabernet-finished that I’ve tasted. There are actually nice beers which can be bourbon-barrel completed. So I believe it’s actually insightful. I believe it’s progressive, and I believe we have to maintain enjoying with one another.

Okay: So going again to one thing that you just talked about a bit in the past, you have been speaking about how lots of people assume that wine is the one factor that you may pair with meals, and that you just utterly disagree. You assume bourbon can pair rather well with meals. Are you able to speak a bit bit about a few of your favourite bourbon and meals pairings?

P: Oh, positive. It relies upon, in fact. I like to pair bourbon all through the course of the meal, so once I entertain in my house and have teams of individuals over which can be bourbon fanatics, we don’t serve wine. I pair a special bourbon with every course and in addition with the appetizers. So we’ve a ton of enjoyable doing that. However I might say appetizers to me are essentially the most enjoyable to pair as a result of you may actually get layers and layers of taste. One specifically that I’m making for Christmas, it’s a Christmas vacation, one which I favor, it’s a mushroom cap and I take nation ham and Boursin cheese, which is type of an herbed cheese, and I mix these collectively. I stuff the mushroom, brush all of it with olive oil, after which I bake them till the cheese is type of bubbly. And I serve that with a barrel-strength whiskey, as a result of it’s a very earthy taste with between the nation ham, very savory, and earthy once more with the mushrooms. After which that herb cheese with the olive oil — it’s simply phenomenal the way it harmonizes with that salty nation ham. So that you nearly want, as a result of it’s so wealthy, you nearly want a barrel-strength bourbon to nearly reduce by way of a few of that savoriness. And what it brings to the desk is that this overlay of caramel observe and vanilla observe. So take into consideration all of the flavors that I simply spoke of coming collectively and taking a chew of that.

C: That sounds scrumptious.

A: Yeah, you’re making me actually hungry.

P: You understand, that’s why I simply love dissecting an appetizer and type of breaking down all of the flavors after which, , what to pair it with.

A: So that you’ve clearly seen the bourbon {industry} evolve over the previous few a long time. What do you assume is to clarify for 2 issues? One, simply it’s explosive progress basically. And two, the latest type of explosion of those sure bottles that turn into collector’s gadgets after which the costs simply turn into insane. So I’m considering, clearly everyone knows Pappy Van Winkle, however, now it’s mainly something that comes out of Sazerac, proper? It’s all of those totally different producers that I keep in mind for instance, I used to have the ability to purchase a few of these for 30 bucks, , 5, six years in the past. And now I can’t even discover a few of these producers on the cabinets. What do you assume is explaining all of that fervor round bourbon?

P: Properly, I’ll inform you, going again, let’s say, to the mid-’90s bourbon, really, I’ll return to the ’80s, bourbon really had a decline within the ’80s, and we weren’t doing an incredible job of promoting the world over. Globally, Scotch was kicking our butts, if you’ll. And so I believe what occurred within the ’90s, we began to see a resurgence and it was a myriad of issues. It was the cocktail tradition. For instance, bartenders have been beginning to convey again some retro cocktails just like the Manhattans, the Old Fashioneds, Highballs that demanded use of bourbon. And so I believe cocktails actually helped individuals gravitate again to bourbon. I believe popular culture had an enormous hand, like “Mad Males,” when you watched that, they drank a number of bourbon.

Okay: Completely.

P: And so with all these influences taking place, we turned higher entrepreneurs. We launched the Kentucky Bourbon Trail, which, it’s a bucket checklist factor to do now, the place you may journey round to the totally different distilleries all through Kentucky, I believe we now have over 60 distilleries in Kentucky. So we simply began to do a greater job globally as effectively, breaking into markets, having different locations. Japan particularly fell in love with bourbon. So globally, we developed a greater footprint in attain. And in order that’s actually — it didn’t occur in a single day. And we’ve seen a trajectory. I believe the Kentucky Distillers Affiliation, about 5 – 6 years in the past, did a 20-year trajectory that our progress would proceed. And to this point it has, so knock on wooden. Now, the opposite aspect of the coin I believe that you just spoke about was restricted expressions and exclusivity. That appears to be proper now anyway, the secret. I believe that shortage of product like Blanton’s for instance, you talked about Sazerac. It’s actually tough to search out proper now and the place as soon as I might purchase a case on the native liquor retailer.

A: Me, too!

P: And its fervor, as I name it, or fever, I ought to name it, of customers who, it’s all type of phrase of mouth. “Oh, this you’ve acquired to do this. They’re operating out of that.” And in addition the distilleries now leaping on that bandwagon of restricted expression. You see Woodford Reserve doing a little bit of that, simply saying we even put this in a smaller bottle as a result of there’s solely a restricted quantity. The extra unique, the extra individuals need. And that’s my distinct impression. And there are, consider me, some bourbons on the market that I simply assume are unbelievable which can be definitely worth the value of buy. Peerless is making a phenomenal rye proper now. Colonel Taylor, I can’t even discover myself.

A: I can’t both. I like Colonel Taylor, too. And I can’t discover it anyplace.

P: Proper. It’s distinctive, nevertheless it’s so darn exhausting to search out. So though these have turn into what I name “cult merchandise,” you simply surprise, although, when individuals type of hand over and say, we’re simply going to have to start out ingesting one thing else as a result of we will by no means discover it. So when does the pendulum swing?

A: Properly, and simply as a follow-up there, that’s what I’m questioning. As a result of that’s what we’re listening to on the editorial aspect from Irish whiskey producers, from Scotch, once more, who’re beginning to say, effectively, we’re producing liquids with age that’s generally older than a number of these 10-year-old bourbons individuals are going loopy for. And you’ll find us and we’re additionally 35 bucks. And is that this our alternative? And I believe what you’re speaking about right here is actually fascinating, as a result of the truth that you’re recognizing that that might be an issue, that that’s a risk for bourbon, that the shortage that everybody’s obsessive about now might probably damage the class is actually fascinating to me.

Okay: Yeah, positively.

P: Properly, it’s my perspective, they usually’ve confirmed me improper many instances, I’m positive. However my perspective is I believe it’s actually cool that individuals are enthusiastic about bourbon and exclusivity. I believe it’s actually thrilling. It’s simply at what threshold will a client stand again and say, we’ll look ahead to that whiskey to return out or we’ll look ahead to that — , I simply don’t know that reply. It’s all within the eyes of the beholder. And I described it just lately to someone as an analogy of artwork. You understand, I do know that if I have a look at an artwork piece, it would contact me personally, nevertheless it won’t contact my husband personally as a result of he thinks it’s ugly. And so bourbon is type of within the eye of the beholder, similar to artwork is.

A: I like that.

C: So, Peggy, I even have a query that’s taking the alternative perspective from lengthy loved-legacy bottles. Within the Bourbon Ladies group, how many individuals are you seeing who’re aspiring entrepreneurs, who need to begin their very own bourbon manufacturers or whiskey manufacturers or launch one other type of enterprise on this {industry}?

P: Many. Now, we’re a client group — we simply occur to have {industry} folks that like us and be part of as effectively — however we’re really a client group. Nonetheless, inside that client atmosphere, I do know there’s a lady proper now who really retired from her first {industry} love as a result of she fell in better love with bourbon. And now she has a job within the bourbon {industry}. And we see a number of that, that folks have fallen in love with the tradition. That they had no concept that it might be a profession. So we attempt to community ladies as a lot as potential. That’s a part of our mission with Bourbon Ladies is to create an incredible networking useful resource for these younger females. I used to be on the telephone simply the opposite day with one other younger particular person millennial that’s in a completely totally different {industry}, however she labored in the course of the summers at a distillery, actually needs to start out a profession in that. So she despatched me a resume. I’m circulating her resume. Now we have these sorts of connections and we will’t do it, in fact, for everyone. However as many as we will contact which can be feminine, we do.

Okay: That’s superior. Properly, Peggy, thanks a lot for coming at present and speaking to us about all issues bourbon: Bourbon Ladies, bourbon pairings. You might be clearly tremendous educated in regards to the topic and we have been very excited to have you ever come. So we actually recognize it.

P: Properly, I liked it. And if anyone is desirous about becoming a member of Bourbon Ladies simply go to BourbonWomen.org. You will note our February occasion Toast to the 10th on Feb. 25 and 26. And I hope all people joins us. You’ll see what we’re about.

Okay: Nice. Properly, congratulations on 10 years, that’s so thrilling.

P: Thanks.

A: Thanks a lot.

C: Thanks, Peggy. It’s been a pleasure.

P: All proper. Bye bye.

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